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Senator Ted Kennedy shows himself to be the elder statesman and advocates wisdom and diplomacy in Iraq in his speech to the John Hopkins School of International Studies. At the end of the speech he calls out Bush to "swallow his pride and end our country’s continuing failures in Iraq and in the eyes of the world."

Finally, a Democrat with a backbone. Perhaps there is a pulse in the party after all.


-Drew

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on Jan 29, 2005
In poll after poll, Americans do not agree with Bush on is second term agenda or the war. Seems like both the Democrats and Republicans have lost touch with Americans!
on Jan 29, 2005
Only to Democrats could a strategy of running away be considered brave.


Do you have kids? How about we send them over, and then see how you feel. Tough talk is easy, when you or your kids aren't in the line of fire.

on Jan 29, 2005
Do you have kids? How about we send them over, and then see how you feel. Tough talk is easy, when you or your kids aren't in the line of fire.

Do you have kids over there? If so, how do you feel about Teddy telling them that their efforts are a failure, and that if they die, they'll be dying for nothing. Do you think troops with resolve and a positive attitude are more or less apt to do well?

Do you think troops that are constantly accused of being "invaders", who are assumed to be commiting "atrocities" at will, and who are being told that they will enevitably lose will be apt to succeed?

Do you have the slightest understanding of the term "psycholocial warfare", or "propaganda"? If statements like this don't effect the fighting ability of a military, why do we use these exact statements as a weapon against OUR enemies during a time of war?

So, basically Ted Kennedy is using psychological warfare against the people of the US and our own troops, all to make himself look good for his party. Nice, huh? He's not fighting for Allah, or taking over the world, he's just ass-kissing and grandstanding and biting his own nation on the ass to do it. What a patriot... Maybe if a few thousand more troops die the Dems might gain a seat or two in the House. That makes it worth it, right?

on Jan 29, 2005
What can I add to all the wealth of info here about ted.... but I feel quoting ted is best..

as he said just 3 days ago quite firmly "brzxdsn geinonahh frhiantrgkpo" gimmee nusher drinkie damn it
on Jan 29, 2005
"as he said just 3 days ago quite firmly "brzxdsn geinonahh frhiantrgkpo" gimmee nusher drinkie damn it"

The image isn't complete unless you picture him saying it with his pants around his ankles...

on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: colgene(Anonymous User)Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2005In poll after poll, Americans do not agree with Bush on is second term agenda or the war. Seems like both the Democrats and Republicans have lost touch with Americans!


ummmm are you speaking for all americans??? cause is do not remember talking to you and I agree thats it fight em there or fight em here..
on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005"as he said just 3 days ago quite firmly "brzxdsn geinonahh frhiantrgkpo" gimmee nusher drinkie damn it"The image isn't complete unless you picture him saying it with his pants around his ankles...


wading thru a pond leaving behind dead females?
on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: JTurnasPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005Only to Democrats could a strategy of running away be considered brave.Do you have kids? How about we send them over, and then see how you feel. Tough talk is easy, when you or your kids aren't in the line of fire.


I talk tough and fought tough in wartime.... whats yer point?
on Jan 29, 2005
"swallow his pride and end our country’s continuing failures in Iraq and in the eyes of the world."


That's coming from the guy who said we didn't have enough troops in country just a few weeks ago. Now he is implying that we are only there because Bush is unwilling to "swallow his pride"? What? He's telling us that all the American deaths are because Bush is too proud to change his mind at the last minute...right before the elections no less? Does he really expect us to buy that? He thinks we shoudl what, just walk away and leave before a new democratic government is established? If we did do that we would STILL fail in the eyes of the world for not supporting the new government. So are we supposed to care what the world thinks or do what is right?
on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: lifehappensPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005"swallow his pride and end our country’s continuing failures in Iraq and in the eyes of the world." That's coming from the guy who said we didn't have enough troops in country just a few weeks ago. Now he is implying that we are only there because Bush is unwilling to "swallow his pride"? What? He's telling us that all the American deaths are because Bush is too proud to change his mind at the last minute...right before the elections no less? Does he really expect us to buy that? He thinks we shoudl what, just walk away and leave before a new democratic government is established? If we did do that we would STILL fail in the eyes of the world for not supporting the new government. So are we supposed to care what the world thinks or do what is right?


yep thats our senator ted... always ready to run and hide at SOMEONE elses expense... sighhhhhhhhh my hero...
on Jan 29, 2005
Bottom line, this administration was in a rush to go to war, Bush wanted to "Prove" something to his father. We were misled with the pretext for that war, and then expected to follow along to the end despite the fact that the entire basis of it was fabricated. Worse, their doctrine for the war was flawed, but once the hawks start beating the drums of war, its pretty hard to stop them. It was clear they were more worried about finding reasons to go to war, than they were for reasons to NOT go to war. Thats a flawed logic, and the very failure of this war demonstrates how flawed that logic was.

Now we are losing 5-35 good young men per day and for what? So iraqi's can vote in a contrived election staged by their occupiers? Sorry, but thats not enough to get my patriotic ideals excited. I feel truely sorry for anyone that is excited about this whole matter, they have a detachment with reality that is quite alarming. Whats even more startling is how Americans were so keen to buy into all of it, then accept that the reasoning was flawed, then willing to actually continue along with a flawed doctrine! Its astounding! When a system or plan is flawed, and you continue to attempt to rectify it and fail, then its time to extract yourself from the situation. America has lost almost all credibility already, so a withdrawl wouldn't mean much of anything to anyone, and would just save some innocent lives.

Before anyone tries to tell me how the military machine works, think again, I have 4 years of experiance leading men in the military, including the first gulf war. Before you label me a bleeding heart liberal, think again, i'm a moderate republican. Hardline conservatives are dangerous people, and are quick to label anyone that doesn't agree with their ideals as "Foolish Liberals", but I caution you, Americans are starting to wise up, and the hardline rightwing movement is losing ground quite quickly.
on Jan 29, 2005
Bottom line, that phrase designed to pre-emptively dismiss out of hand any argument to the contrary, it is too soon to arrive at conclusions about whether the decision to eliminate Saddam's regime & liberate Iraq was a good thing or not. I am grateful to you, JTurnas, for your service to our country, but you are presumptious in the extreme in claiming to know the President's motives. You are welcome to that opinion, but it certainly does not constitute the "bottom line," no matter your military experience and political self-designation.

And contrary to your claims, I strongly suspect that there a many thousands of Iraqis who would feel cruelly betrayed by an abrupt American departure - it might mean a lot to them.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: JTurnasPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005Bottom line, this administration was in a rush to go to war, Bush wanted to "Prove" something to his father. We were misled with the pretext for that war, and then expected to follow along to the end


switch parties NOW>>>. your more than 2/3rds way there already.., take deep breath and chant, wrong war, wrong time, wrong place... I am hanoijohn kerry I am hanoi john kerry.. may be things will work out for ya..
on Jan 29, 2005
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, January 29, 2005Bottom line, that phrase designed to pre-emptively dismiss out of hand any argument to the contrary, it is too soon to arrive at conclusions about whether the decision to eliminate Saddam's regime & liberate Iraq was a good thing or not. I am grateful to you, JTurnas, for your service to our country, but you are presumptious in the extreme in claiming to know the President's motives. You are welcome to that opinion, but it certainly does not constitute the "bottom line," no matter your military experience and political self-designation.And contrary to your claims, I strongly suspect that there a many thousands of Iraqis who would feel cruelly betrayed by an abrupt American departure - it might mean a lot to them.


from your thought to the brains of liberals everywhere...
on Jan 29, 2005
"Now we are losing 5-35 good young men per day and for what? So iraqi's can vote in a contrived election staged by their occupiers? Sorry, but thats not enough to get my patriotic ideals excited. "

That betrays your bias. You assume that the election is "contrived". You assume that nothing will come of this before the endeavor is even complete. That isn't smart, or informed, it is defeatist. Sure, many people were defeatist before it started, and throughout, but that doesn't mean their dismal view of current events need be true.

Someone is always going to poo-poo any endeavor. Why? Because there are always disingenuous partisans, willing to attack any endeavor just to be on the other side. Ted Kennedy is a good example. It is much more than predicting failure, I think he truly wishes failure. He has a lot invested in it. The political mileage he could get out of those "I told ya so"s, to him, is far more important than his integrity as a leader.

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